Florene S. Jolley

Other Events:

• Parents: Oct 1934; SS app names parents Samuel P. Jolley and Erpha B. Garland. Notice of marriage names her parents as \"Mr. and Mrs. S. P. Jolley.\" \"Miss Florine Jolley, oldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. S. P. Jolley, was recently married to James P. Winton, of Springfield. The bride was one of the winners at the beauty contest conducted by the Gillioz Theatre in 1932. Mr. and Mrs. Winton will make their home in Springfield.\"
• Census: 19 Apr 1940, 514 E. Walnut, Springfield, Greene County, Missouri, USA; 1. Smith, Diana, head, owns home, value $2400, female, white, 30, single, completed 5 years college, Kentucky, same place 1935, stenographer, general insurance 2. _____, Amanda, mother, female, white, 54, widowed, completed grade 8, Kentucky, same place 1935, clerk, retail bookshop 3. Jolly [Jolley], Florine, lodger, female, whit, 26, single, completed 1 year college, same place 1935, clerk, retail drug, $960
• Residence: May 1972, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, USA; Her brother Samuel P. Jolley, Jr, obit names his surviving sisters, including \"Mrs. Florence Anderson\" of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. While her name is Florene or Florine, other news articles have used \"Florence.\" None of his other sisters has a remotely similar name, so this must be Florene. And yet another marriage.
• NEWS: 1 Dec 1975, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA; The Palm Beach Post:

  \"Notice is hereby given that an order dated 26 NOV 1975 has been issued by the undersigned authorizing the name of the oil screw BEEFEATER official number 530110, owned by Joseph W. Riley, of which WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. is the home port, to be changed to FLO-JOE II. M.B. Reyes Documentation Officer U.S. Coast Guard West Palm Beach, FLA Publish: Dec 1, 2, 3, 4, 1975\"

• Residence: Apr 1984, North Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA; Her step-mother\'s obituary names her as a survivor and gives her married name of Riley, place of residence North Palm Beach, Florida.
• Residence: 1996, North Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA
• Obituary: 26 Mar 1996, Cedar Rapids, Linn County, Iowa, USA; The Gazette:

  \"Florene Jolley Anderson Riley, 82, of North Palm Beach, Fla., formerly of Cedar Rapids, died Sunday, March 24, 1996, in St. Luke\'s Hospital after a sudden illness. Services: 2 p.m. Wednesday, Cedar Memorial Chapel of Memories, by the Rev. Larry Hayward of First Presbyterian Church. Entombment: Cedar Memorial Park Cemetery. Friends may call from 3 to 8 p.m. today at Cedar Memorial Funeral Home and after 1 p.m. Wednesday at the chapel. Surviving, besides her husband, are two sons, Douglas Anderson and wife Jane of Granger, Ind., and Thomas Anderson and wife Julie of West Des Moines; two daughters, Karla Anderson Goettel and husband Dennis and Kathleen Anderson Dirks and husband Harvey, both of Cedar Rapids; seven grandchildren; and two great grandchildren. Born May 7, 1913, in Monett, Mo., she married Joseph W. Riley on Nov. 27, 1973. Lorene was a member of First Presbyterian Church and Chapter IF of PEO and the Old Port Yacht Club in West Palm Beach, Fla. She attended college in Missouri. Friends may make contributions to First Presbyterian Church, Cedar Rapids; or Arthritis Foundation, Iowa Chapter, 8410 Hickman Rd., Suite A, Des Moines 50322 Florence was a loving wife, mother and friend, and will be dearly missed by all who knew her.\"

Notes:

Name:
Seen as Sadie in the 1920 census, and as Florene S in 1930. Databases on Ancestry name her as Sarah.

Florene married James P. Winton [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Florene married [husband of Florene Jolley] Anderson before 1972. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Douglas Anderson
2. Thomas Anderson
3. Karla Anderson
4. Kathleen Anderson

Florene married Joseph W. Riley on 27 Nov 1973. Joseph was born in 1906; died in 1998. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Parents: SS app names his parents as Robert T Jolley and Jane T Griffith.
• Census: 22 Apr 1910, Tucson (Ward 2), Pima County, Arizona, USA; 1. Wood, Ida G., female, white, 33, divorced, California, Hol. Dutch, Michigan, keeping, rooming house, own account, can read and write, renting [6 additional roomers, none from Missouri 8. Jolley, Samuel P., roomer, male, white, 27, first marriage, married 1 year, Missouri, U.S., Missouri, brakeman, railroad, can read and write 9. _____, Erpha, roomer, female, white, 21, first marriage, married 1 year, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Missouri [5 more boarders]
• Census: 1920, Monett township, Barry County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolly [Jolley], Sam P., head, owns with mortgage, male, white, 40, married, can read and write, United States, United States, United States, laborer, railroad 2. _____, Ertha, wife, female, white, 37, married, can read and write, Missouri, United States, United States, no occupation 3. _____, Sadie, daughter, female, white, 6, attending school, Missouri, United States, Missouri 4. _____, Ruth E., daughter, female, white, 5, Missouri, United States, Missouri 5. _____, Robert G., son, male, white, 2 3/12, Missouri, United States, Missouri 6. _____, Samuel P., son, male, white, 7/12, Missouri, United States, Missouri
• Obituary: 16 Jan 1920, Monett, Barry County, Missouri, USA; The Monett Times:

  \"Wife of Frisco Switchman Dead Mrs. Erpha Beulah Jolley, wife of Sam P. Jolley, Frisco switchman, died Thursday evening about eight o\'clock of carcinoma of sigmoid, following an illness of several months. She was 31 years old and leaves a husband and four children, Florence, Ruth, Robert and Samuel Jolley.\"

• Census: 8 Apr 1930, Monett, Barry County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolley, Samuel P., head, owns, farm, male, white, 47, married, first married age 25, can read and write, Missouri, Northern Ireland, Arkansas, switchman, steam railway 2. _____, Nina I., wife, female, white, 40, married, first married age 23, can read and write, Missouri, Ohio, Missouri 3. _____, Florene S., daughter, female, white, 16, attending school, can read and write, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri 4. _____, Elma R., daughter, female, white, 15, attending school, can read and write, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri 5. _____, Robert J., son, male, white, 12, attending school, can read and write, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri 6. _____, Samuel P., Jr, son, male, white, 10, attending school, can read and write, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri 7. _____, Stella J., daughter, female, white, 8, attending school, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri 8. _____, Alma J., daughter, female, white, 7, attending school, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri 9. Garland, Evert H., step-son, male, white, 15, attending school, can read and write, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri 10. Goodnight, Margrete A., lodger, female, white, 30, single, can read and write, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri, waitress, cafe 11. Dillinger, Mahale M., daughter, female, white, 1 month, Missouri, Oklahoma, Missouri
• Census: 9 Apr 1940, Monett, Barry County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolley, Samuel P., head, male, white, 57, married, completed grade 3, Missouri, same home 1935, switchman, railroad 2. _____, Nina I., wife, female, white, 50, married, completed grade 5, Missouri, same home 1935 3. _____, Samuel P., Jr., son, male, white, 20, single, completed grade 8, Missouri, truck driver, \"c.c.c.\" 4. _____, Stella J., daughter, female, white, 18, single, completed 4 years high school, Missouri 5. _____, Allma J., daughter, female, white, 17, single, completed 3 years high school
• Obituary: 13 May 1972, Springfield, Greene County, Missouri, USA; Springfield News-Leader:

  \"Samuel P. Jolley, Jr. Monett--Funeral services for Samuel Patterson Jolley, Jr., 52, of Monett, will be at 2 p.m. Monday in the Moss-York Chapel here with the Rev. M. E. Fitzpatrick officiating. Burial will be in the IOOF Cemetery here. Mr. Jolley died at 6 p.m. Thursday in the Veterans Hospital in Kansas City, where he had been a patient the past two months. He had lived in Monett most of his life and was a former railroad employe [sic.] Mr. Jolley was a member of the Baptist church, was a veteran of World War II, and was active in the VFW and American Legion. Surviving are his wife Madeline; his mother, Mrs. Nina Jolley, of Monett; a son, Samuel Jolley, III, of Monett; a daughter, Mrs. Lyn Carnes, Raymondville, Mo.\' a step-son James Pennel, of Monett; a step-daughter, Mrs. Wilma Serls, of Bolivar; two brothers, Robert Jolley, of St. Louis, and Everett Garland, of Monett; four sisters, Mrs. Florence Anderson, Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Mrs. Ruth Perry, St. Louis, Mrs. Jean Novice, Newark, M. J., and Mrs. Teddy Ferguson, Titusville, Fla.\' and four grandchildren.\"

• Obituary: 6 Apr 1984, Springfield, Greene County, Missouri, USA; Springfield News-Leader:

  \"Nine [sic] Jolley Monett? Graveside services for Nina Inez Jolley, 94, Lacoba Nursing Home, Monett, will be at 10 a.m. today in IPOOF Cemetery with the Rev. Glenn Dixon officiating under the direction of Buchanan Funeral Home. Mrs. Jolley died at 1:30 a.m. Wednesday in the nursing home after a short illness. Born in Dallas County, she lived most of her life in this area. She was a member of the First Baptist Church of Monett, a member of Eastern Star since 1926 and a past president of the Ladies Auxiliary of U.T.U. Survivors include four daughters, Mrs. Ruth J. Perry, St. Louis, Mrs. Florene Riley, North Palm Beach, Fla., Mrs. Jane Ferguson, Titusville, Fla., and Mrs. Jean Novice, South Orange, N.J.; a son, Everett Garland, Billings; 25 grandchildren; and 20 great grandchildren. Memorial contributions may be made to the First Baptist Church of Monett.\"

Notes:

Birth:
SSA app names his place of birth as "Phillipsburg-Unionville, Missouri."

Samuel married Erpha Garland on 19 Apr 1908 in Laclede County, Missouri, USA. Erpha (daughter of Silas E. Garland and Georgia Ann Hooper) was born on 27 May 1888 in Missouri, USA; died on 8 Jan 1920 in Monett, Barry County, Missouri, USA; was buried in Blackfoot-Atchley Cemetery, Lebanon, Laclede County, Missouri, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Obituary: 16 Jan 1920, Monett, Barry County, Missouri, USA; The Monett Times:

  \"Wife of Frisco Switchman Dead Mrs. Erpha Beulah Jolley, wife of Sam P. Jolley, Frisco switchman, died Thursday evening about eight o\'clock of carcinoma of sigmoid, following an illness of several months. She was 31 years old and leaves a husband and four children, Florence, Ruth, Robert and Samuel Jolley.\"

Notes:

Died:
Cause of death: carcinoma of intestine and liver

Other Events:

• Baptism: 14 Jun 1846, Clonegal, County Carlow, Ireland
• Census: 7 Jul 1860, Montgomery County, Illinois, USA; 1. Jolley, Joseph, 38, male, farmer, [no real estate value], personal $350, Ireland 2. _____, Mary, 27, female, Ireland 3. _____, Ellen, 14, female, Ireland 4. _____, Robt, 12, male, Ireland, attending school 5. _____, Joseph, Jr., 10, male, Ireland, attending school 6. _____, Mary, 6, female, Illinois 7. _____, John, 4, male, Illinois 8. _____, Jane, 2, male, Illinois 9. _____, Cyrus, 1, male, Illinois
• Census: 24 Aug 1870, Auglaize township, Camden County, Missouri, USA; 1. Malone, J. W., 39, male, white, farm laborer, [no real estate value], personal $391, Kentucky, 2. _____Elizabeth J., 39, female, white, keeping house, Tennessee 3. _____, James M., 16, male, white, farm laborer, Missouri, attending school, cannot write 4. _____, William J., 13, male, white, farm laborer, Missouri, attending school, cannot write 5. _____, Lucretia C., 10, female, white, Missouri, cannot read or write 6. _____, C[??] L., 7, female, white, Missouri 7. _____, Francis J., 4, female, white, Missouri 8. _____, Joana, 2, female, white, Missouri 9. Jolly [Jolley], R. T., 24, male, white, farm laborer, Illinois, cannot read or write 10. _____, Malicia, 22, female, white, doing house work, Missouri, 11. _____, Warren H., 1, male, white, Missouri
• Census: 9 Jun 1880, Hooker township, Laclede County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolly [Jolley], Robert, white, male, 32, married, farmer, cannot read or write, Illinois, Ireland, Ireland 2. _____, Henry, white, male, 12, son, at home, cannot read or write, Missouri, Illinois, Missouri 3. _____, Ella V., white, female, 6, daughter, cannot read or write, Missouri, Illinois, Missouri
• Newspaper Article: 18 Dec 1890; Article relates that Robert accidentally shot a neighbor, Mrs. William Thompkins, in the elbow, when showing Mr. Thompkins his new revolver. The incident was viewed as an accident.
• Census: 8 Jun 1900, Auglaize township, Laclede County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolley, Robbert [Robert], head, white, male, June 1842, 57, married 18 years, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland, farming, cannot read and write, owns farm with mortgage, farm schedule no. 101 2. _____, Jane, wife, white, female, January 1863, 37, married 18 years, 8 children, 8 living, Arkansas, Tennessee, Tennessee, can read and write 3. _____, Nancy, daughter, white, female, June 1885, 14, Missouri, Ireland, Arkansas, at school, attending school, can read and write 4. _____, Della, daughter, white, female, Feb 1887, 12, Missouri, Ireland, Arkansas, at school, attending school, can read and write 5. _____, Joe, son, white, male, Dec 1888, 11, Missouri, Ireland, Arkansas, at school, attending school, can read and write 6. _____, Edward, son, white, male, Jan 1890, 9, Missouri, Ireland, Arkansas, at school, attending school, cannot read and write 7. _____, Sada, daughter, white, female, June 1893, 6, Missouri, Ireland, Arkansas, at school, attending school, cannot read and write 8. _____, Clara, daughter, white, female, June 1896, 3, Missouri, Ireland, Arkansas 9. _____, Emma, daughter, white, female, March 1898, 2, Missouri, Ireland, Arkansas
• Census: 27 Apr 1910, Lebanon township, Laclede County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolley, Robert T., head, male, white, 67, second marriage, married 29 years, Ire-Irish, Ire-Irish, Ire-Irish, year of immigration 1840, farmer, general farm, cannot read or write, owns farm free of mortgage, veteran 2. _____, Jane T., wife, female, white, 48, first marriage, married 29 years, 8 children all living, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, can read and write 3. _____, Edward J., son, male, white, 19, single, Missouri, Ireland, Tennessee, farm laborer, home farm, can read, cannot write 4. _____, Sadie M., daughter, female, white, 16, single, Missouri, Ireland, Tennessee, attending school, can read and write 5. _____, Clara J., daughter, female, white, 14, Missouri, Ireland, Tennessee, attending school, can read and write 6. _____, Pearl M., daughter, female, white, 11, Missouri, Ireland, Tennessee, attending school, can read and write
• Census: 6 Jan 1920, Precint 317 1/2, Multnomah County, Oregon, USA; 1. Jolly [Jolley], Robert, head, renting, male, white, 73, married, immigrated in 1851, alien, cannot read or write, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland, no occupation 2. _____, Jane, wife, female, white, 57, can read and write, Arkansas, Tennessee, Tennessee

Notes:

Birth:
Probably June (per 1900 census).

Robert married Jane Griffith on 11 Sep 1881 in Laclede County, Missouri, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Silas married Georgia Ann Hooper. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• RESEARCH: A Robert Jolley appears in the tithe applotment books for County Carolow, Moyacomb parish, Clonegall townland. Joseph Joshua Jolley named his eldest son Robert.
• RESEARCH: https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/L2ML-HB3/margaret-joley-1818-1895 FamilySearch entry for Margaret Joley, b. 1818 Clonegal, County Carlow, Ireland. Emigrated to Australia and in New South Wales, Australia, on 14 April 1845, she married Robert Sexton (1814-1870. The record states that her parents were Robert Jolly and Ellen (--?--). Our Joseph Joshua Jolley named his first two children Ellen and Robert. ------------------- https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/AngRecord/Clonegal_Ferns.pdf Anglican records from County Carlow indicate a Robert Jolly who died in Clonegal 23 November 1857 at age 80, suggesting birth in 1777; also an Ellen Jolly who died in Clonegal on 3 August 1869, age 94, suggesting birth in 1775.She would have been of childbearing age in 1818 for Margaret Joley who immigrated to Australia--and also for Joseph Joshua Jolly born in 1817.
• RESEARCH: Other Jollys listed in Clonegal, St. Fiaac's Church: John Jolly, baptized June 1804 to parents Samuel and Jane, Clonegal Ann Jolly, baptized 16 Oct 1808 to parents Samuel and Jane, Clonegal Samuel Jolly, buried 2 Sept 1821, Clonegal Eleanor Jolly, born 8 October 1844, baptized 24 Nov 1844, Clonegal, to parents Joseph and Mary Ellen Jolly, b. 8 Oct 1844, baptized March 1845, Clonegal, to parents Joseph and Mary. Joshua Jolly, b. 7 June 1846, baptized 13 June 1846, Clonegal, to parents Joseph and Mary [Twin of above?] Robert Jolly, b. 7 June 1846, baptized 14 June 1846, Clonegal, to parents Joseph and Mary Joseph Jolly, b. 12 April 1848, Clonegal, to parents Joseph and Mary Websters at St. Fiaac's, and Clonegal: John Webster, b. 20 Dec 1842, baptized 19 March 1843, Clonegal, to parents Edward and Eliza. Eliza Webster, b. 6 April 1841, baptized 8 August 1841, Clonegal, to parents Edward and Eliza.
• Census: 3 Aug 1850, Carlinville, Macoupin County, Illinois, USA; 1. Queen, James, 34, male, landlord ["hotel" penned in margin], Ohio

  [7 Queen family members listed, followed by 17 additional servants and lodgers]

  10. Jolly, Joseph, 30, male, servant, Ireland
• Immigration: 1851; His family probably joined him around this time. His son Robert T. Jolley stated in his 1920 census that he immigrated from Ireland in 1851. This may be close to right as his father was enumerated alone the previous year, the family was with him in 1855, and daughter Mary was born about 1854.
• Census: 1855, Macoupin County, Illinois, USA; 2 males under 10 2 males 10-20 1 male 20-30 2 females under 10 1 female 20-30 [value of livestock?] $200 [males eligible for militia?] 3
• Census: 1860, Montgomery County, Illinois, USA; 1. Jolley, Joseph, 38, male, farmer, [no real estate value], personal $350, Ireland 2. _____, Mary, 27, female, Ireland 3. _____, Ellen, 14, female, Ireland 4. _____, Robt, 12, male, Ireland, attending school 5. _____, Joseph, Jr., 10, male, Ireland, attending school 6. _____, Mary, 6, female, Illinois 7. _____, John, 4, male, Illinois 8. _____, Jane, 2, male, Illinois 9. _____, Cyrus, 1, male, Illinois
• Milit-Beg: 21 Aug 1862; Enlisted in Co. D, 126th Illinois Infantry, as a private.
• Milit-End: 12 Jul 1865, Pine Bluff, Jefferson County, Arkansas, USA
• Move: Between 1865-1868; The youngest, Ulysses, was born abt 1865 in Illinois. Robert T. Jolley married in Laclede Co in 1868. The family was enumerated in Laclede in 1870. According to the 1870 Laclede Co census Joseph Jolley owned real estate valued at $960--the BLM has no record of a homestead, though that seems a likely motivation for the move from Illinois.
• Census: 1870, Laclede County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolly [Jolley], Joseph J., 52, male, white, farmer, real estate $960, personal $520, Ireland, parents of foreign birth, male citizen over 21 2. _____, Mary, 46, female, white, keeping house, Ireland, parents of foreign birth 3. _____, Mary A., 16, female, white, Illinois, mother and father of foreign birth, cannot write 4. _____, John C., 13, male, white, Illinois, mother and father of foreign birth 5. _____, Lutchia J., 11, female, white, Illinois, mother and father of foreign birth, cannot write 6. _____, Cyrius J., 9, male, white, Illinois, father and mother of foreign birth 7. _____, Francis R., 7, female, white, Illinois, mother and father of foreign birth 8. _____, Ulysses G., 5, male, white, Illinois, mother and father of foreign birth
• Census: 1880, Franklin township, Laclede County, Missouri, USA; 1. Jolly [Jolley], Joseph J., white, male, [46? 66?], married, farmer, Illinois, Ireland, Ireland 2. _____, Adeline Elizabeth, white, female, 55, wife, married, keeping house, Georgia, Georgia, Georgia 3. Chambers, Magy, white, female, 8, orphan, Missouri
• Biography: 1986; Written by Clara Farmer, a granddaughter of Joseph Webster Jolley and great granddaughter of Joseph Joshua Jolley, in 1986, when she was 90. Clearly flawed but still useful and interesting.

  "Joseph Joshua Jolley left Dublin, Ireland in 1855 to seek his fortune in America. He left behind his wife, Mary, and three children: Robert, Nellie [Ellen], and Joe, who would follow him a year and a half later. Settling in a small town in Illinois, near Chicago, he built the first log cabin in that State. He worked long hard hours and finally got the money to send for his family. Mail and transportation were slow and after several months of waiting, he gave up hopes of his family joining him. Through his work on the School Board he met a young woman, Bessie Johnson, who had moved soon after their meeting to New York. Grandpa wrote and asked Bessie to marry him. When Bessie got his letter, she was thrilled and took the next stage back to Illinois to marry Joseph. On the stage, Bessie met and became friendly with a young woman who was coming from Ireland with her three children to be with her husband. Traveling as they did for several weeks the two women became close friends. They soon learned they were meeting the same man! Bessie returned to New York. Joseph became a naturalized citizen about 1860 and served in the Civil War. He served with his son, Robert until 1866. Returning to civilian life, he became the treasurer of the school board and "borrowed" money for a new house, from the school funds. The shortage was discovered, before he could "repay" the money and spent a year in jail. He then became a Bible salesman. Returning drunk one night from a long sales trip, he fell from the wagon and broke his neck. So ended the long and colorful life of Joseph Joshua Jolley. By Clara Farmer, his granddaughter. Written in 1986 when she was 90."

• Email: 28 Jun 2016; From the Illinois State archives in Springfield (uis_irad@hotmail.com), regarding the location of files about Joseph abusing school funds and doing some jail time for it:

  "Dear Ms. Gilmore, We received your email request regarding the Montgomery County Court Records for a Joseph Webster Jolly. We do not typically communicate via email and do request a mailing address so if need be, we can send you further information. I did however want to ask if you knew a more specific date than just 1860 for the possible court case. Our Montgomery County Court Record Files are not indexed and the only form of organization is by Court terms (i.e. September 1860). If there is any further information you can provide for us regarding this court case we would greatly appreciate it. We did however, search our Montgomery County Court Record Books but were unable to locate anyone with the last name of "Jolly" in those records for the time period of 1860. Thank you, Eowyn M UIS IRAD Intern"

Notes:

Birth:
Birth and death dates from cemetery stone.

Birthplace from his 1850 census. Also granddaughter Ella's 1930 census named her father's birthplace as "Free Ireland. Her father was Robert T. Jolly, born prior to immigration. Another of Robert T. Jolly's children, Nancy, stated in 1930 her father's birthplace of "Northern Ireland." Mary Effie Jolly, daughter of Joseph Webster Jolly stated her father's birth place as ""Irish free state."

While these granddaughters are addressing only the place of birth of their own two fathers, not the grandfather, they are still helpful clues to the family's whereabouts.

Joseph married Mary Webster about 1845 in Ireland. Mary was born on 4 May 1824 in Ireland; died on 4 Mar 1874 in Laclede County, Missouri, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Married:
Date of marriage estimated from birth of eldest daughter about 1845.